Yankee Lady?

[Roller]

Yo Jack,
where did you get the original download for this? I posted at Frug's about this,
but received no replies, so assume no one knows or remembers.
We might have to go with another flyable. There are a few others out there.
But was the "Yankee Lady" associated with the 352nd?
Thanks,
Roller

[jjmcgarvey]

I am at my daughters so I don't have access to my stuff. This is a modification of CB's flyable B-17 (I think that's the right name) The actual YANKEE LADY is a real flying B-17 at Beav's Air Museum. I took one of Chompies B-17 skins and modified it to look like the Yankee Lady. I then fudged those skin files into the Flyable B-17. I think that the wing view is a combination of other files. I would have to go through and find what files are actually used. I doubt if I will be able to do any real work on that until after Christmas

[jjmcgarvey]

I did take a closer look at the Yankee Lady. As far as the nonflyable version is concerned, I seem to recall that the antenna and the rear gunner position were in red and not in yellow as they now appear. At the time, I assumed that the red came from increasing the area that was colored red. As far as I know, there are no yellow areas used on that plane.
I started to take a closer look at the cockpit view situation. I am setting up the files and tools to work on that. Do not expect any results until after the New Year.

It was quite a while ago when I did those planes. I think that we flew them once. Tip made the decisions about what we did on our operating nights. After a while we didn’t operate very much at all. I had no real reason to fine-tune that sort of work. That is hard work for me. It takes a lot out of me to really get into the mysteries of EAW files. I made the planes so that Beav could show the other people at the museum what EAW was capable of doing

[dBeav]

I made the planes so that Beav could show the other people at the museum what EAW was capable of doing

and it is much appreciated Jack.

[jjmcgarvey]

Hey Roller,
I thought that I would give you a progress report. I have made more progress than I had anticipated. It appears that I have gotten rid of the yellow antenna and rear window. The wing view is now a coherent view of a silver wing. This is not perfect but it is good enough. The main problem that is still with us is the blocky rotating prop. I hope to get some sort of improvement to that. I don't know if you understand exactly what the situation really is. I had wished to create a EAW replica of the B-17 at Beav's museum. Chompy had created some great silver HI-RES B-17's with a similar color scheme. I took one of them and modified it into the "YANKEE LADY". The important thing is this;Chompy's plane is a non-flyable Hi-Res version that is using a unique system of files that Chompy devised. 
I then thought that perhaps I could piggy back this version onto CB’s Flyable B-17 (P38 slot). The problem is that the file systems are not the same. At the time, it worked to a degree and since there was no expectation that it would be used again, I didn’t bother to try to get rid of any of the bugs.

I doubt if I will get a perfect solution to the prop problem but I have a approach in mind that may make an improvement. My idea involves altering a 3DZ file, something that I have never done before. I will see how it works out. I am at my daughters today to take care of my darling Bridget Rose(2yrs old). My wife, daughter and the twins are going to New York to see a show at Radio City Music Hall. I probably won’t be able to do anything until tomorrow.

[Roller]

Yo Jack,

read the thread over at frugals:
http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=113867

Pobs is trying to fix it now. He needed a pBB17bex.tpc that wasn't included in Dumo's
zip of the bomber, so I gave it to him. I sent him an e-mail this morning to send me
the fixed wing views, and POSSIBLE prop fix.
Thanks,
Roller

[jjmcgarvey]

It sounds like you have things very much under control. I will spare myself any further efforts. All of the files and tools can go back into storage

[Roller]

Well, not necessarily!
I'd keep the tools out just in case. Matter of fact, don't know if he is gonna fix
the props or not. The posts stopped after I left him the file he was looking for, and
I havn't heard from him yet.
Besides, I think your better with this stuff than even YOU think you are!
No probs, and no hurry! And since the bomber isn't working right, I made our next mission
without the B-17.
Thanks again Jack,
Roller

[jjmcgarvey]

All major problems and glitches have been fixed. It was easier than what I had anticipated. 

[Roller]

All major problems and glitches have been fixed. It was easier than what I had anticipated. 

I received wing-view fixes from Pobs, and was waiting to see if he could fix the props too,
but havn't heard from him since last night.  So maybe I can tell him it's okay?
I'll try your fix when I get home. Can I get it from the PX?

Also, I borrowed a loadout.dat file from another flyable B-17. The loadout.dat in the
352BritflybyJACKB17 G folder was for a P-51. The one I borrowed
has regular B-17 loadout.
Roller

[jjmcgarvey]

I will E-mail you the files involved. That should give you all that is really needed. When you look at the nacelles, you will notice that the view is from CB’s B-17 and is a camouflage pattern. The proper scheme is an anti-glare paint and is uniform in pattern. The bottom should be aluminum. I don’t consider that very important but since I see it, I might as well try to do it better. I think that everything else worked out nice. When I get it all done, I will post it in a proper package. One of the things involved with this wing view is that you are taking a small picture and blowing it up. The detail is missing. If you get the chance, send me the wing view from Pobs, I am curious how they compare. I learn a lot from the work of others.

The business with the P-51 loadout file is a mystery to me. None of my work with the Yankee Lady ever involved the P-51. The only thing that I can think of is that it is a holdover in the P38 slot from the American FlyBy alterations. That is the trouble with putting different folders together; you may end up with residual junk.

[jjmcgarvey]

I mentioned closing up my shops. To give you an idea of what is involved with modding in EAW here is a picture of the way that I do it. I call these setups my shops. I have different ones for all sort of different areas. This shop is for modifying Yankee Lady's cockpit view. The main shop is on the upper left corner. The other open windows are for secondary shops I.E. 3DZ Studio. They are subfolders in the main shop folders. I switch files back and forth as I work on them. I created my own icons for the files so that I can easily pick them out I.E. PCX, 3DZ, TPC. When I get into this stuff, I can make progress, if I close it up for a length of time, I have a hard time getting back into the swing of things.

[Roller]

tsk..tsk...... more busy than I care to be! LOL!

Jack, I sent you an e-mail with results and the files and pics
of Pobs fix.
Thanks,
Roller

[jjmcgarvey]

Hey Roller,
I probably omitted a critical file from what I sent to you. Sorry about that!

 I checked out the pictures. It looks as if Pobs altered the cockpit view to fit the HI RES files. The wing looks better, however the nacelles are not right. I went back to the LO RES files for the wing view. My approach seems to allow the prop problem to be solved. Pobs approach may end up in a dog chasing its own tail situation in that if you try to fix the prop thing, you may end up affecting the exterior views. I can’t be sure! I will finish what I am doing, it all seems to work OK. I don’t know if you overwrote your original files in your folder or not. It is always a good idea to save the original work before you make alterations. That is why I end up with a whole lot of intermediate files in my “Shops”.

I should be able to put the completed folder on the G-mail today.

I just got home from taking the twins to school. Now I have to feed my son and myself.

See you tonight!

[Roller]

Hey Roller,
I probably omitted a critical file from what I sent to you. Sorry about that!

 I checked out the pictures. It looks as if Pobs altered the cockpit view to fit the HI RES files. The wing looks better, however the nacelles are not right. I went back to the LO RES files for the wing view. My approach seems to allow the prop problem to be solved. Pobs approach may end up in a dog chasing its own tail situation in that if you try to fix the prop thing, you may end up affecting the exterior views. I can’t be sure! I will finish what I am doing, it all seems to work OK. I don’t know if you overwrote your original files in your folder or not. It is always a good idea to save the original work before you make alterations. That is why I end up with a whole lot of intermediate files in my “Shops”.

I should be able to put the completed folder on the G-mail today.

I just got home from taking the twins to school. Now I have to feed my son and myself.

See you tonight!

Hi Jack,
check out the pics I sent, again. For me, your fix of those tpc files gave me p38 engines, (only 2)
and p38 fusalage without the tail attached,(viewed from inside the pit.) and changed the exterior view so the B-17 was missing a large portion of it's rear.
Pobs fix gave me good wing views on both sides, all 4 engines, and no missing parts in external view.
I have all the original files saved separate, including the G folder itself.
When I tried your fixed files, I dropped them in the folder and let them overwrite. When I get home tonight, I will re-load the entire original G 352BritflybyJackB17 folder, drop in your fix, and try it again.
Will report when we get online tonight.
Thanks,
Roller