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« on: December 20, 2008, 04:28:59 PM »

My ethernet connection does not work - it states it's unplugged.



How do I plug it back in so I can use my new DSL.

My old DSL was with AT&T which does not cover down here and I cannot find a uninstall for any of the AT&T/Bellsouth crap that is now inside my HD.

Let me know if you can help before I go looking elsewhere.

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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2008, 10:43:19 AM »

Hello Spitty,
I will offer my services/help if you think it can be of any use. How are you accessing the internet so that you can post here?
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2008, 01:38:30 PM »

Hey Jack - thanks for responding.

On dial up through AT&T - they are still my home phone service but they do not have DSL in my area so I have gotten my cable company to hook up HS cable which they did but they said my ethernet connection is either unplugged / uninstalled / or not working and needs to be replaced.

I had a westell modem from AT&T that I has to install via a CD-Rom to use my DSL form AT&T but the modem used a USB cord to connect to my HD.

Is there a cord that I can purchase that would use the ethernet connection form my new modem/router at one end and  USB connection for the other?  Would that be an idea to look into?

The Cable tech who installed it said that the HS cable is working / just my ethernet connection in the HD is not and that is all that is needed to get me up and running.

I am at work right now on the computer / I will be home around 5:00 CST or 6:00pm your time Jack.

Spitty

Ps - this is nothing we need to get completed in a hurry / I would just like to have HS internet again and not use dial up as it is horribly slow and un-reliable.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2008, 01:57:40 PM »

Hey Spitty,
OK! Lets see what we can figure out. This will be fast so that I can get back to putting lights on my Yule bush. Lets go into the past a little bit. Check the following and tell me if I am wrong anywhere.

Originally, you had a dial up connection via a phone modem and your Internet Service provider (ISP) was AOL.
 
You upgraded to a broadband connection. This was a DSL line via a Westell Modem supplied by Verizon.. This functioned OK for internet access but you had problems with your IP because you were still using your AOL account as your primary ISP. Once you removed AOL from the Internet connection chain, you had service without any problems.

Now for the present! You have just moved into a new house and Verizon doesn’t provide DSL service to your area. You signed up for internet access with your television cable company. As I understand what you said, you are trying to hook your computer to the new connection but it isn’t working.

The big QUESTION! Did the cable company supply a new modem and the software and tech/instruction manual with the new connection?

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2008, 04:04:07 PM »

Jack --

Let's work on this at your leasure.  I have a new modem/router that was supplied by Comcast Cable.  There wasn't any insturction manual or CD-Rom or software to down load.  I am wondering if my ethernet jack in the back of my HD is working at all.  It used to flash on and off with the old Westell Modem from my previous DSL company - now it does not.

We'll take it one step at a time over the next couple of days or weeks or such.  I am still at work right now so like I said / we'll get to it at your lesiure.

Thanks Jack.

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2008, 08:42:50 PM »

Things seem to be falling in place.

On the home front, I finished putting the lights on the tree. I pace myself. I don’t have the stamina that I had in years past. I move furniture and take a rest. I go up and down the ladder and take a rest. It reminds me of the story about the old and young bulls. They see a heard of cows and the young bull says, lets run over and fuck a couple. The old bull says, lets walk over and fuck them all. I am in this for the long haul. I just finished my dinner and in a moment, I shall go down to the basement and bring the ornaments up. I will come back here and write some more and then I will start to hang balls.

My understanding is that you are trying to connect to the internet with the DSL modem. I think that is the heart of the problem. You probably have to use the cable modem.

I once worked in electronics. I got my technical education in the army. Later I went into the computer field and did onsite service. The military sort of pioneered a kind of design philosophy. That technical approach was to consider various units and circuits as “BLACK boxes”. You had a certain type or format of signals into the unit and the unit was supposed to have an output of a certain type. What exactly went on inside or what was the exact construction was a different matter. To understand the proper functioning of the system you had to understand what each BLACK BOX was supposed to do. If it did it right, there was no problem If you did not get the right sort of output, that was your problem. The correction of the problem involved either replacing the whole BLACK BOX or opening up and replacing the faulty component.

We will try to look at this problem from the BLACK BOX approach. I have a certain amount of experience with the DSL internet connection system. I don’t have experience with the cable internet system. Lets look at my DSL connection system. I made the connections myself. Verizon connected a DSL interface to the telephone lines that enter my house. Until they connected my lines to their internet system, there was no way for me to make any kind of connection. The first part of the DSL system in my house was to install a filter in every phone line. The line to the Modem that Verizon provided had no filter on it. The filter kept the DSL signal out of the phones. The DSL signal was quite different from the normal phone signal. The DSL connection to my house is hard wired to my house only. The DSL signal is carried to the Modem by a regular telephone wire. The Modem has two possible outputs. One is an Ethernet cable connection and the other is an USB connection. These cables connect to my computer via the corresponding connection sockets. This is the BLACK BOX description of the setup. DSL signal is on a telephone wire to an input socket on a DSL Modem. The Modem outputs a signal from a Ethernet socket to the Ethernet cable and the cable carries the signal to a Ethernet input socket on my computer. My computer processes the signal according to the internal software. I am connected to the Internet.

Verizon included a CD of software with the Modem. I have reformatted my computer hard drive a few times and I reinstalled that software each time. My computer initiated the Modem connection each time it was powered up.

After I had used the DSL connection for a period of time, I installed a wireless router using the output from the Modem as the input to the router via an Ethernet cable. My computer was connected to the router with an Ethernet cable. Other computers connected to the Router by wireless radio signals and the router connected them to the Modem.

Two of my sons got DSL service and the Modem that they got from Verizon was a combination Modem/Router. I was trying to get them to play games over the internet and they were not able to configure their routers to allow computer to computer Internet connection. They were reluctant to let me experiment with their systems. I bought the same model Modem/Router on E-bay and was able to get it working at my house. As with my router, you are required to gain entrance to the set-up/configuration settings in the router and configure it for your system and ISP account.

I have the Hard Drive caddy switching system. I do not have the Verizon software installed on my WIN XP Hard Drive. I have no problems connecting to the Internet with XP. Here are my conclusions about getting connection to the Verizon DSL interface after the connection was broken. It is necessary to send my user ID and password to Verizon to reconnect. When I just had the Modem, I needed the Verizon software on my computer to send the User ID and Password. When you have a router in the system, you store the ID and Password in the Router and that makes the connection automatically.

This was a long explanation of my understanding about what is involved with Broadband connections. I do not think that DSL and cable Modems are interchangeable. I think that the signals from the ISP to the Modems are in different formats and require different BLACK BOXES to process them.

I will try to get into the CABLE variety after I hear from you.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2008, 07:15:32 AM »

I like the bull analogy Jack - I don't run anywhere anymore...lol

How the Cable system is installed:

There is a cable jack in the wall for cable TV and that is how they hook your TV to cable through the wall to a channel box then to your TV.  Now that is what I have plus the cable has a splitter junction in the wire behind my TV so a cable also runs from the wall to the Modem/Router (supplied by Comcast Cable) next to my HD.  The cable connects to the M/R then a ethernet cord goes from the back of the M/R to the ethernet jack on my HD.  It's the ethernet jack on my HD that is either:

A.  Not working at all as it does not flash any color / it used to before AT&T DSL installed
B.  Not installed (which it used to be) or driver un-installed / not updated
C.  Is unplugged - I do not know how to check for this or turn it back on

My telephone line still connects from my HD to the phone jack in the wall as well.  The Tech who installed the cable M/R told my wife all that is needed is the ethernet connection in my HD to work and everything is ready to go.  Unfortunately I was at work when they installed cable and the M/R in my place.

I'd like to try to get the ethernet connection on my HD working by either finding out whether it is shut off or needs replacment.

Thanks for your time Jack and also at your lesiure.  I am at work all week - even X-mas - so I will be busy with the holidays too.  We'll get to this as we can.

Happy Holidays to you and your family Jack.

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2008, 10:50:24 AM »

Lets look at inside of the BLACK BOX that we call our computer. We will not consider the various internet and network software at this time. I said that when I was dealing just with the modem that I installed Verizon software into the computer. When I had the router installed and I was using the XP Hard Drive, there was no Verizon software involved. I was connecting via the Ethernet cable. I installed the Ethernet software as part of the motherboard software. In that sense, Windows does not have to do any “plug and play” or any recognizing of new hardware. The Ethernet connection should be already to go. I would advise using the Ethernet cable connection for the first trials.

Now we can look at the Modem that Comcast gave you. Here is a list of the Modems that Comcast says will work with their cable connection.

http://lite.help.comcast.net/content/faq/guid/9fe92cb1-e13a-4c3d-8974-b1c167961903

I looked at that list and I don’t see any reference to Westell at all. I feel very sure that the Westell Modem will not work with a cable connection. Check out the Brand and the model of the Modem that Comcast supplied and let me know it.

My daughter has a Comcast internet connection at her house. I think that the modem that they use handles both the internet and telephone access. I don’t know what sort of input interface connection is used. With the Verizon Westell Modem, the input was by a regular telephone jack connector into a telephone socket. I don’t even have a cable television service so I don’t know what kind of hardware Comcast is using. Anyway, that is what you will need to start trying to connect, a cable compatible Modem, a working cable service to Modem input connector and a Ethernet cable to connect the Modem to the computer.

I will assume that the Comcast service and Modem/Router performance and procedures are similar to Verizon’s. There is a good chance that you will have to enter the ComCast User ID and password for your Comcast account. There is a similar probability that you will have to enter a user ID and password to get access into the Router so that you can enter the settings needed to play EAW etc.

I wrote the above stuff before your last posting. I will go back and relist the things that I think I know about your setup.

1 You used to have Verizon as your ISP via a DSL line. Verizon supplied a combined Modem/Router, which connected to your computer by Ethernet cable and motherboard connection. After some teething troubles, everything worked fine.

2 You moved to your present location and signed up for Broadband service with Comcast. A Comcast technician came to your house and was supposed to have installed all of the hardware and software necessary for immediate access to Internet service. You were not present when this was done. I will assume that your wife was home while the technician was there.

3 The hardware connection that the technician installed consisted of a co-ax cable connection from the Comcast cable to a Modem (supplied by Comcast) and then an Ethernet cable connecting the new Modem to your computer.

4 The technician did not leave you any manuals, instructions or CDs.

5 This new system does not connect you to the Internet.


I am under the impression that the tech who installed this did not turn on your computer to install any software or change any settings. If that is true, he left without knowing if the stuff that he installed worked properly.

Do you now have new account ID and Password for Comcast?
What is the maker and serial number of the new Modem. It may be necessary to know if this is Modem only or a Modem/Router combination.

Now, here are some steps that you might take. Do a search of your System for any software files named Comcast or the Modem manufacturer.
I assume that I was completely wrong about your attempting to use the Westell Modem?/Router to connect to Comcast.

Do you still have the Westell Modem and cables and all of the rest of the Verizon DSL hardware? I hope that you are a packrat like me and wait a while before throwing things away. If you have the hardware, try the Verizon Ethernet cable in place of the Comcast cable. I assume that you have tried to power up and down the new Modem. Anyway I am a believer in turning power off before changing cables. If the cable change doesn’t make any difference, put the Comcast cable back on.

Lets try to check out the computer Ethernet function. Disconnect the Comcast Modem from your computer. Connect the Westell Modem with the Westell cable into your system. You do not have any input into your Modem/router. Good! Power up the Modem/Router. Power up your computer. Open your Browser. Internet Explorer.is probably best if you have more than one. OK here is where Black Box theory comes into play. Your Modem /Router is really two Black Boxes. The first thing your computer sees is the router. The router connects the computer to the modem and the modem connects to the ISP. Remember how you accessed the router to set up the ports to allow you to play EAW. That is what we want to try now. I think the procedure was to enter 192.168.0.0 into the address bar in your browser. That opened your router up and you put in the right access codes and got into your settings. All we are doing is to check that we can get into the router. I would say that if you can get into the Westell router OK, your Ethernet function woks OK. If it does, turn everything off and reconnect the Comcast Modem. Power up the Modem first and then power up your computer. If your Comcast Modem is a Modem/Router and you still don’t get internet access, try to see if you can open the router function in that setup.

By the way, what do you mean when you use the term “HD”, the context suggests that it is a synonym for computer?

I spent a lot of time looking for the power packs for my trains. I couldn’t find them anywhere. I finally looked into the cabinet where all of my old LPs are stored. That has the touch of one of my wife’s cleanup sessions. She has a knack of throwing my things out without them ever going out the door.

If I don’t get back to you, I will take this opportunity to wish you and your wife a Merry Christmas.


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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2008, 04:33:23 PM »

OK Jack --

I went out today to a friends place and we looked at my Hard Drive's ethernet.  As expected it does not work at all.  We replaced it with a new ethernet card / adapter and waalaa...  I have HS internet again.  We also replaced my DVD-Rom as it was corrupted as well so it was a win win situation today fixes wise.

Everything seems to be working top notch and I am greatful for your help as well.  I will be testing the connection on-line some time this weekend or earl next week to see if I need to port forward anything or not.

Once again thanks for your help and I am happy to be back up and running again.

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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2008, 09:13:11 AM »

Hello Jack,

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By the way, what do you mean when you use the term “HD”, the context suggests that it is a synonym for computer?

Following this post I was also wondering what's that meaned .. and I found this :

http://askville.amazon.com/500-GB-external-ethernet-connected-hard-drive-buy/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=549323



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